tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post8724582694674238175..comments2024-02-05T16:57:21.842-08:00Comments on The Speckled Hatchback: Post #80 - My thoughts on Hawaii joining the ABA area....(LONG!)Dorian Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15916335753403783947noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-36702615224474332372016-11-08T21:28:41.628-08:002016-11-08T21:28:41.628-08:00Yeah, pretty cute, huh? Gotta love the legs!
Yeah, pretty cute, huh? Gotta love the legs!<br />Dorian Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916335753403783947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-40087412478413054362016-11-08T21:28:14.382-08:002016-11-08T21:28:14.382-08:00Exactly. That seems to be the most functional cons...Exactly. That seems to be the most functional consequence of the decision. It is, in my opinion, where we should be focusing, not the listing stuff.Dorian Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916335753403783947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-26422668073352370802016-11-06T20:03:13.392-08:002016-11-06T20:03:13.392-08:00That photo though!That photo though!@lternateplumagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02643553085398796170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-89279813777439349332016-11-01T17:15:36.642-07:002016-11-01T17:15:36.642-07:00Very good summary of the situation. Nature does no...Very good summary of the situation. Nature does not care about ABA rulings. <br />The reality is that Hawaii is the extinction hotspot of the US, with several more critically endangered species ready to check out permanently. Anything that draws attention to their plight has to be a good thing, imho. netudianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726679291917155189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-76113402940473292932016-10-31T21:12:22.171-07:002016-10-31T21:12:22.171-07:00Hi Thor. Thanks for the note. I hear you that some...Hi Thor. Thanks for the note. I hear you that some listers do in fact do much for conservation, though my general impression is that the vast majority do not. I am including myself in that vast majority as I have not recently organized a beach clean-up day or done any local public outreach. Birding is fun, but conservation is real work. So, the question is how do we as a community better connect birding to conservation? It is really hard and I am as guilty as the next guy in not working at that relationship. My blog is a cute, fun way to talk about conservation, but even I haven't quite yet figured out how to motivate actual action in myself or in others. It will be a challenge moving forward. Poeple have to look first at themselves, right?Dorian Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916335753403783947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-52738485811702778852016-10-31T21:01:37.458-07:002016-10-31T21:01:37.458-07:00Thanks Chris. To be honest, I really didn't ev...Thanks Chris. To be honest, I really didn't even hear about this until after the vote passed. Once I saw all the debate that it generated I figured it would make a decent blog topic. At the end of the day, it only affects a person as much as he or she let's it. If your ABA list is your thing, have at it!Dorian Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916335753403783947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-44906531686972295302016-10-31T16:51:38.321-07:002016-10-31T16:51:38.321-07:00Good work Dorian. I voted in favor of inclusion fr...Good work Dorian. I voted in favor of inclusion from a conservation standpoint. Having said that, and under full disclosure, I do have an Hawaiian list, although, at this point, I honestly don't know what it is. Will have to check files. <br />From a lister's standpoint, I have total respect for those big number birders who have spent a birders's lifetime working on their ABA list, only now to see that they have some work to do. From my interaction with these birders, I am aware that many of them are involved in a variety of causes associated with bird conservation/protection, so for them it is not all about generating the biggest ABA list. Actually, I thought that there was going to be two parallel potential ABA lists created; one for those who wanted to focus on a kind of a North American model, ( current status ), and another that would include Hawaii. I still don't see any official notice on the ABA site, so really don't know what the final plan will be? <br />In any event, like Chris says, I thought that you presented a balanced analysis of the plan. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17169079370582629695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6961914105467755287.post-64121203049918986242016-10-31T16:17:34.700-07:002016-10-31T16:17:34.700-07:00Very well stated. I think you hit the nail on the...Very well stated. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the ABA brass pushed for it. It will have no impact on me however, as I decided that the ABA was not the organization for me any more since Mr. Gordon failed to respond to any of the e-mails I have sent him over time. But that has no impact on Hawaii coming in. I am concerned that some of the birders going to Hawaii may have a negative impact on sensitive areas. Other than that, the main problems will be with the very big listers as you say. Does not seem really fair to them to change at this point in time. The organization obviously made some hard choices on where to place areas when they started up. There can be equally good arguments about including Greenland or Iceland in the ABA area as well. You covered all the bases in a very unbiased manner though. Chris Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05327061864505451785noreply@blogger.com